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Old 01-21-2007, 03:08 PM   #11
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Default Re: Hillary running for president in '08

Why's that Scott? Does he have it in for porn kings?

I can't say I know that much about Giuliani, but I know that based on my politics and trust levels, I believe in him more than anyone else who's expressing an interest in running for President at this time. There might be some oddball candidate I'd rather vote for, but if they belong to an obscure (ie NOT Rep or Dem) party, I don't think they're worth discussing as a valid candidate. I'm not wasting my vote again (cough***Perot!!!***cough)

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Old 01-21-2007, 04:43 PM   #12
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Yeah... Giuliani hates porn kings. He also hates anything having to do with sex. Porn, strip clubs, prositution. One of the ways he "cleaned up" New York was to heap heavy regulations, fines and laws against anything he saw as distaistfull. This gained him a good reputation with conservatives, but a bad reputation with artists and those who wanted the govenment to keep out of thier lives and buisnesses.

I'm not saying he's a bad person... I just don't like the methods he used to clean certain things up.

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Old 01-21-2007, 07:00 PM   #13
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Giuliani has no respect for the constitution.. I firmly believe one thing America really needs right now.. is just a few people in government who can read the constitution and say "You know what? this is a good idea.. I really think that all americans deserve these rights"

I feel he would probably do a better job at running the country than bush.. but he would just be another person pushing his own moral and religious agenda on america with no regard for the constitution
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Old 01-21-2007, 07:06 PM   #14
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Compleatly off topic:

I love the new avatar Scott.

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Old 01-21-2007, 08:07 PM   #15
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I liked that lil fire guy.. and it was the first movie that I saw in portland.. thanks to Gwen!
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Old 01-21-2007, 08:23 PM   #16
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Is is just me... or is it strange that people are allready deciding who they would (theoreticly) vote for? No one has come out yet with any kind of platform. No one has yet stated what they plan to do as president. No one has mentioned what they might do to make the country better.

I feel sometimes like I'm back in high school. People are deciding votes based of some fucked-up popularity contest and not on any sort of factual basis. I like Obama a lot, but he's got to give me some info before I'm even going to think about voting for him... or anyone else for that matter.

It just seems strange that everyone (and this is probbably always true) are jumping on or off bandwagons when nothing of any substance has been given to the public.

So... I reserve all my thoughts on who anyone should vote for untill the candidates actaully start telling people what they stand for and what they plan to do.

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We go based on what they have already done in their political careers just as you did with giuliani
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Old 01-21-2007, 08:56 PM   #17
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[mimes being shot in the chest]

Got me on that one! Good point.

On the other hand, I'll still reserve my thoughts untill after the primarys... because I have no effect on if a candidate gets the nomination or not.

Kinda frustrating that... all I can do is vote for who is nominated, but living here in Oregon and not belonging to a party, I can't have a say in who is nominated.

But I'll try to keep my ears open for what candidates are saying.

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I don't think that any one person should be president. As the current system works, the president has way too much power. The whole theme of checks and balances has been lost. We need a team of executive legislators that actually have a say, not a recommendation to the current president. It will be inevitable sooner or later. I give it not more than 10 more years before the USA takes a final stand against the current style of Presidential Monopoly.
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Default Re: Hillary running for president in '08

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We go based on what they have already done in their political careers just as you did with giuliani
I actually find that examining earlier political careers give you a better picture of how a candidate will behave in office. Come time for the White House run all candidates do is spout the rhetoric and false promises they think'll get them the win.

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Old 01-21-2007, 11:16 PM   #20
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While I think there are a hell of a lot of things about this system of government that's badly broken, I don't see the people of America rising up and doing away with an entire branch of government.

Limiting presidental power, maybe. Doing away with signing statements, maybe. Changing things in small ways for the better, maybe. But it would take a whole HELL of a lot before the American public got mad enough to fundamentally change the only govenment this country has ever had.

But that's all off-topic anyway.

So how would someone like me, who isn't always on top of a persons record, find out about a candidate and what they have done in their time in office?

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